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Re: [apnic-talk] Application for India NIR - Call for Comments

Subject: Re: [apnic-talk] Application for India NIR - Call for Comments
From: Philip Smith
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 07:12:55 +1000
Some questions, just to help with clarification and understanding...

[email protected] said the following on 20/11/09 20:02 :
> In our country only 6 â 7 % of people can speak English, All of them are
> not 100% fluent in English. The people are more comfortable in the
> regional language.

Is the intention for NIXI to provide language translation services?

> Many ISPâs still not having there own IP resources. They hardly get 32 IPs
> from there upstream Internet Service Provider for allocating to there
> proxy servers and they run there network on Private IPs by keeping there
> logs of the server.

Why can these ISPs not get more than a /27 worth of *address* *space*
(not IP, whatever that is) from their upstream? I assume these upstreams
are also Indian ISPs.

And how will an NIR help with this problem?

It sounds more as though the problems many Indian ISPs are having is
being caused by the business practices of their upstreams.

If these ISPs went to APNIC instead, they'd get the address space they
need. So apart from a perceived language barrier, why are they not doing

> The main reason for not taking IP resources are
> 1.    Cost constraint

I find this quite amazing given that ISPs have to buy servers, switches,
routers, pay huge costs for domestic bandwidth, and even more for
international as so much Indian content is *still* sitting overseas. The
cost of obtaining address space is totally trivial in comparison. Or are
there special Indian prices for all the other infrastructure?

> 2.    Language Barrier

I believe APNIC have several staff of Indian origin fluent in the
national languages.

> 3.    Communication gap

Can you explain what this means?

> The cost will come down as the allocation will be done locally. The cost
> of operation in India is less.

I think you misunderstand how an NIR functions. Allocations are still
made by APNIC. An NIR does much of the initial contact and evaluation
work, and adheres completely to the RIR policies.

> The trainers of Local Region will be more accessible / accountable.

Will NIXI be offering training services also? How will these be paid for?

AFAIK, APNIC's training team spends a large amount of time in India.
Never mind SANOG doing a large number of workshops twice a year in the
region. I agree that more training is beneficial, but someone has to pay.

I hope that answers to these questions will help clarify the NIR
proposal for everyone here.



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