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On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 09:25:45 -0700 'John Corliss'
wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:
>hummingbird wrote:
>> On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 06:09:29 -0700 'John Corliss'
>> wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:
>>
>>> hummingbird wrote:
>>>> John Corliss wrote:
>>>>> hummingbird wrote:
>>>>>> John Corliss wrote:
>>>>>>> hummingbird wrote:
>>>>>>>> John Corliss wrote:
>>>>>>>>> hummingbird wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> hummingbird wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> John Corliss wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, that went over like a flying turd. Forget I said anything.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>> putting the filter back on and will do as I mentioned to Why Tea
>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>> another post:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> At this point I have two main usenet accounts, Giganews and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Motzarella. I can see Googlers in the Motzarella account, and if
>>>>>>>>>>>>> somebody replies to them and I'm interested in also replying to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Googler directly, I will use that account to do so. As I do this,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll try to compile that whitelist myself and eventually will be
>>>>>>>>>>>>> able to pretty much dump the Motzarella account.
>>>>>>>>>>>> On to freeware.
>>>>>>>>>>> John, I think you are a perfect candidate for installing
>>>>>>>>>>> Hamster Classic[1].
>>>>>>>>>>> (snip)
>>>>>>>>> Well.. ya know, maybe I *will* give it a shot. Looks interesting.
>>>>>>>> There's no looking back. Let us know if you need some guidance
>>>>>>>> on writing filters. I am no world expert at it, but have written
>>>>>>>> some quite effective ones over the months I've used it, such
>>>>>>>> that I only see on my message lists, the posts that I want to see.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> English language link to Hamster filtering:
>>>>>>>> http://home.hetnet.nl/~ojb-hamster/EnWIP/EnWeb/html/file3vao.htm
>>>>>>> Another question, probably a dumb one. If two feeds send the same
>>>>>>> message, what does Hamster do? Delete one copy?
>>>>>> Not at all dumb, it's the sort of question I wanted to know
>>>>>> when I started using it...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think so, else it stores them in its own messagebase, where
>>>>>> it also retains article number details of all messages that it's
>>>>>> pulled. In fact most messages will arrive in Hamster as one copy
>>>>>> from each newsserver, subject to server propagation of course.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hamster automagically merges all the feeds in the background and
>>>>>> filters them like greased lightning, and presents only one copy of
>>>>>> each message for d/l into your news client (TB etc). You never see
>>>>>> multiple copies. It's rock solid on this.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You can set the time period that Hamster retains its messagebase
>>>>>> for each newsgroup feed.
>>>>> Then my next question would be about how it deals with variances in the
>>>>> headers for the same message from newsfeed to newsfeed, like for
>>>>> instance the path statement.
>>
>>
>>>> I don't think Path comes into Hamster's message management,
>>>> at least not in any way I'm aware of.
>>
>>> Seems like a shame. It might be a holdover from my years of spam-copping
>>> this group, but I like as many headers as possible to be included with a
>>> message.
>>
>> Well, to clarify ...you can filter on Path: using Hamster easy
>> peasy (I have several Path filters), just like you can filter on
>> ANY header or any part of the message body.
>>
>> I was only referring to Hamster's internal management of messages.
>> It doesn't use the Path for that afaik, only the MID and message
>> number.
>>
>>>> I believe it manages articles by message number for each
>>>> newsgroup/newsserver that it's pulling from. That number is
>>>> unique. Eg: the unique number of your post on NIN for this
>>>> newsgroup is 613708.
>>>>
>>>> If you look closely at this snapshot of one newsgroup, you see
>>>> it has the message number range for each newsserver I pull
>>>> from listed for that newsgroup on the tabs in the lower half:
>>>> www.toucano.plus.com/Hamster_messages.jpg">http://www.toucano.plus.com/Hamster_messages.jpg
>>>> (there's also a slider there for use if you wanted to reset the
>>>> next pull counter and re-grab some older articles)
>>>>
>>>> Next, the unique MID of your message is:
>>>> <4radnWIz5PKivSTVnZ2dnUVZ_sDinZ2d@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>.
>>> Right, and that should remain the same regardless of newsfeed (it's the
>>> same MID I see.)
>>
>> Exactly so. MID doesn't change across newsservers.
>>
>>>> One or both of those unique pieces of data allows Hamster to
>>>> identify multiple copies of the same message. So, if you (say)
>>>> pull from 3 external newsservers and Hamster sees three copies
>>>> of the same message, it easily sorts them out, and does it in
>>>> the background dynamically as it pulls messages. When you d/l
>>>> to your local newsclient, you only get one copy.
>>>>
>>>> And having said that, Hamster doesn't actually d/l ALL messages;
>>>> it only pulls complete message bodies which do not match any of
>>>> your header filters -or- if it needs to pull the body to apply a
>>>> specific filter (ie: it can also filter on message body contents).
>>
>>
>>> Well, it sounds like a good alternative to nFilter, but I must say that
>>> since it appears certain headers would be lost as a tradeoff for using
>>> it, I guess I'll stick with my current setup of TB and nFilter. Thanks
>>> anyway though.
>>
>> OK, but note that NO headers are lost. See above ...you can
>> filter on ANY header, including Path:
>>
>> Maybe I should put together a note setting out my understanding
>> of how Hamster pulls and filters news articles. Would that help?
>
>Well, maybe I should flip flop agin 80)> and give hamster a go.
>
>Today though, my friend Gil and I are going to ride to our favorite
>biker bar at the other end of the Valley and do some partying.
Partying should *always* come before anything else! :-)
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>It'll probably be a couple of days before I can think straight enough to
>try the program. Hope you have a great day too!
ditto..
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